Propel? Propel what?

[bmcalister]

Iv'e been buying iambic software products for about 10 years, I have never been disappointed. This propet release is "not" of normal iambic quality. Why would you put your name on something like this and then ask $25.00? Is there a promise for the future?

If you bought this somewhere ( I remember tiny sheets), at least spend some time fixing it up and clean up the graffics. My old Palm Pilot with release 1 softwear looks better.

Shame Shame

bmcalister
Palm TX

I guess this won't count as a forum posting.

[Zano2004]

Oh come on now..... why are you trying to ruin all the funds? :eek: :rolleyes:

Propel what? iambic of course........

[adriano]

bmcalister,

this post of yours is totally in violation of these forums' policy (aside from the forums' policy, your post sounds more like coming out of frustration, probably not even with the product itself, rather than anything else) -- nonetheless we are not going to delete it immediately, but give you 24 hrs chance of explaining why you apparently dislike Propel so much.

Regards,

- Adriano

[Zano2004]

Boy, times have changed..........:eek:

[bmcalister]

well......

I guess this isn't a democracy. 24 hours to explain myself. Give me a break. That's the dumbest response I have ever heard.

Please remove me from your forums and your email list.

I don't have to explain myself, you already know.
Am I dealing with children, take your ball and go home.

You have now lost a long time customer.

bmcalister
Palm TX

[Zano2004]

well......

I guess this isn't a democracy. 24 hours to explain myself. Give me a break. That's the dumbest response I have ever heard.

Please remove me from your forums and your email list.

I don't have to explain myself, you already know.
Am I dealing with children, take your ball and go home.

You have now lost a long time customer.

bmcalister
Palm TX
I guess I'll see you over at 1Scr. I understand exactly where you are coming from. :up:

[adriano]

well......

I guess this isn't a democracy. 24 hours to explain myself. Give me a break. That's the dumbest response I have ever heard.

Please remove me from your forums and your email list.

I don't have to explain myself, you already know.
Am I dealing with children, take your ball and go home.

You have now lost a long time customer.

bmcalister
Palm TX

actually on these forums you do have to explain yourself.

A post along the lines of "I don't like your product" without some sort of explanation on the reasons why and possibly suggestions on how to improve it is not helpful to anyone, neither to us or to other visitors of this community.

Thank you for your understanding.

Regards,

- Adriano

[Zano2004]

Iv'e been buying iambic software products for about 10 years, I have never been disappointed. This propet release is "not" of normal iambic quality. Why would you put your name on something like this and then ask $25.00? Is there a promise for the future?

If you bought this somewhere ( I remember tiny sheets), at least spend some time fixing it up and clean up the graffics. My old Palm Pilot with release 1 softwear looks better.

Shame Shame

bmcalister
Palm TX

I guess this won't count as a forum posting.

I have highlighted some reasons that Adriano overlooked ....... seems pretty clear to me. It also seems pretty clear that Adriano ought to look before he jumps.

[Budz2320]

Boy, times have changed..........:eek:

i like propel and i think there's bright future in it.

[Zano2004]

i like propel and i think there's bright future in it.
I don't think you understand what I'm talking about. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. That wasn't / isn't the point.

[Confused Vorlon]

If you bought this somewhere ( I remember tiny sheets), at least spend some time fixing it up and clean up the graffics. My old Palm Pilot with release 1 softwear looks better.

How should propel look?

The current design aims to use icons that are familar and consistent with Agendus, whilst leaving the majority of the screen free to display applications, contacts, etc.

Should Propel go for a radically different look?
If so, what sort of look would you suggest?

[Zano2004]

I think bmcalister quit the forum because of Adriano's remarks.

[adriano]

just a quickie here about the fact that yesterday we released Propel 1.01 -- among other improvements now allows customizing the number of icons per rows when in "icon" mode. Which is something it was requested in this forums.

Not sure if this was one of the causes that triggered this thread, but anyway, in case, I'd give it another try.

- Adriano

[Zano2004]

We may never know. Apparently he has quit the forum and iambic becaue of your remarks.

[adriano]

oh... that's too bad, sorry to hear that.

Well everyone else still here and subscribed to this thread is welcome to give it a second try, in case the first time they tried it, their expectations weren't met.

http://www.iambic.com/propel/palmos/trial.asp

- Adriano

[Zano2004]

Well, thanks for the invitation, but I think I'll wait a few more months. I have found that it's best to limit the fun I have trying new applications.

[adriano]

Zan -- as you prefer. I do have a 680 as well, and with Propel is so much easier to find and launch apps (couple of keypresses vs lenghty scrolls, looks around, change category kind of ops).

Personally, I rarely used launchers in the past, but now I'm totally hooked to Propel (and yes, I guess that's because I've heavily influenced the design of its look & feel ;))

- Adriano

[Zano2004]

Keep talking nice to me and I might just try it sooner....... Yes, the 680 is a sweetheart. Finally a phone that has enough memory and no more antenna. I love it. Best I can tell, it beats the Tx for stability. If you haven't tried NVBackup, you should. Finally a NVFS backup program that really works.

[rhall84900]

Iv'e been buying iambic software products for about 10 years, I have never been disappointed. This propet release is "not" of normal iambic quality. Why would you put your name on something like this and then ask $25.00? Is there a promise for the future?

If you bought this somewhere ( I remember tiny sheets), at least spend some time fixing it up and clean up the graffics. My old Palm Pilot with release 1 softwear looks better.

Shame Shame

bmcalister
Palm TX

I guess this won't count as a forum posting.
Greetings,
I thought I would offer a different perspective on this discussion. I too have been a long time Iambic customer. I have found the products very useful and well designed. When you consider Propel, I think you have to ask what you want in a "Launcher". Are you looking for a utilities suite, or a launcher. Propel appears to be designed like Hobbyist software "Initiate". These programs are meant to improve the user interface, speed up locating and launching of programs, contacts etc & secondarly to provide basic utilities like deleting. If you want a utilities suite for file exploring, backing up, etc, MegaLauncher probably a better choice. If you want to find and launch your programs, contacts, memos, etc quickly, Propel is a better choice.
Thanks
RH

P.S. This is the wonderful thing about America, we have these choices, so lets not get to derisive with one another. We are all on the same team.

[Zano2004]

Ah yes, America. Coming from a very long line of Americans and being a bit older, it appears, than the average iambic forums participant, I think I can tell you some stuff about America.......... firstly: everyone is free to express their own opinions. Secondly: almost everyone has an opinion about this or that. Thirdly, we are not all on the same team...............

[Zano2004]

I should add the following:
"Yes men" are a dangerous bunch. You know those who go with the flow saying yes to all the "politically correct" things. There is strength in opposing opinions when they are listened to. Unfortunately, too many times yes men have the sway with insecure people.

[rhall84900]

I should add the following:
"Yes men" are a dangerous bunch. You know those who go with the flow saying yes to all the "politically correct" things. There is strength in opposing opinions when they are listened to. Unfortunately, too many times yes men have the sway with insecure people.


Well, if you choose to pontificate and speak condescendingly to others; make sure your logic is sound. Your premise that "There is strength in opposing opinions when they are listened to" is a very true statement; however, listening is a mutual activity between and among people. Which you clearly have no interest in listening to anyone but yourself. It appears you would rather make open ended sarcastic statements that are intended to thwart any real conversation that could result in meaningful conclusions regarding the core topic. How you could possilby conclude that someone is a "yes man" from the prior e-mails, suggests you are quick to jump to conclusions on very little evidence, which means your opinion lacks the basis for any real credibility. Your reply in no way furthers the topic of opposing ideas regarding propel and megalauncher. Let me re-state your sentence so it is more in-line with your logic.."There is strength in my ego when my opinions are accepted and listened to".

BTW, if you think being a "no man" gets things done, think again. It is the respectful exchange of ideas in a gentlemenly and temperant manner that promotes good will and understanding. Something that is missing today in our society. Next time have something worthwhile to say instead of some sarcastic, trite remark, and I will be delighted to debate the pros and cons on propel versus other lauchers. Then we can really learn something instead of wasting time with this rhetoric which can only serve to irritate and divide.
RH

[Confused Vorlon]

Hi folks,

could we keep this discussion about the software?

Thanks.

[Zano2004]

Well, if you choose to pontificate and speak condescendingly to others; make sure your logic is sound. Your premise that "There is strength in opposing opinions when they are listened to" is a very true statement; however, listening is a mutual activity between and among people. Which you clearly have no interest in listening to anyone but yourself. It appears you would rather make open ended sarcastic statements that are intended to thwart any real conversation that could result in meaningful conclusions regarding the core topic. How you could possilby conclude that someone is a "yes man" from the prior e-mails, suggests you are quick to jump to conclusions on very little evidence, which means your opinion lacks the basis for any real credibility. Your reply in no way furthers the topic of opposing ideas regarding propel and megalauncher. Let me re-state your sentence so it is more in-line with your logic.."There is strength in my ego when my opinions are accepted and listened to".

BTW, if you think being a "no man" gets things done, think again. It is the respectful exchange of ideas in a gentlemenly and temperant manner that promotes good will and understanding. Something that is missing today in our society. Next time have something worthwhile to say instead of some sarcastic, trite remark, and I will be delighted to debate the pros and cons on propel versus other lauchers. Then we can really learn something instead of wasting time with this rhetoric which can only serve to irritate and divide.
RH
Yes, this was a waste of time.

[rhall84900]

Yes, this was a waste of time.


Agreed, lets move on!

[Zano2004]

There are probably better threads to discuss the software. This thread started with one customer dismissing Propel, then iambic got upset and the customer got upset and quit the forum, then myself and others did some yada, yada, yada on top of that.......... there has been no specific discussion of the software in this thread. So if that's what you are looking for, I'd advise starting or participating in another thread.

[michael]

This thread is now closed, as the conversation was no longer about Propel.

Personal debates & attacks that have absolutely nothing to do with improving our software or helping users through problems are not welcomed and will not be tolerated.