iPhone

[ysengrain]

Hi,
I noticed you were considering the opportunity of developping for the iPhone.
If my voice could encourage you to design and release an Agendus for the iPhone, I would be a bit proud.
Till today, there is absolutly no seriuos PIM for this device.
Please ....

[Allibama]

Until Apple allows third party applications for the iPhone, it leaves everyone out.

[bigdog5142]

The SDK has been out for three months now...they are allowing 3rd party developers into the market. Does this indicate that iambic has done NO follow up with the SDK? Was iambic not picked as one of Apple's first developers?

[ysengrain]

Hi,
hey Iambic guys, look at this http://www.macrumors.com/2008/07/12/apple-opening-up-iphone-developer-program/

[Allibama]

Apple still has total control over who is accepted and who is allowed to write iPhone applications. I will point again to Slingmedia and Tomtom as perfect examples of what the public wants and what Apple is denying.

[ashiq88]

Does this indicate that iambic has done NO follow up with the SDK.

[lolongan]

Don't worry. WebIS (the author of Pocket Informant on WM OS) plans to release their flagship product on iPhone in the second half of this year. Too bad for Iambic if they still hesitate...

[adriano]

Don't worry. WebIS (the author of Pocket Informant on WM OS) plans to release their flagship product on iPhone in the second half of this year. Too bad for Iambic if they still hesitate...

yes, we are well aware of that. We are actually not hesitating on the iPhone, which is why we have this forum dedicated to "Agendus for iPhone" :)

As of now though our timeline is not as firm as the one for WebIs as of when our Agendus will be available.

- Adriano

[ftwitty]

Say, I have a microwave with a microprocessor in it...... do you think you can get Agendus running on it before Labor Day? :rolleyes:

[iMarc845]

yes, we are well aware of that. We are actually not hesitating on the iPhone, which is why we have this forum dedicated to "Agendus for iPhone" :)

As of now though our timeline is not as firm as the one for WebIs as of when our Agendus will be available.

- Adriano

Hi Adriano,

UNFORTUNATELY, this forum seems to be the ONLY thing iambic has dedicated to the iPhone. I reiterate that I have STILL not received one single email from the "Agendus for iPhone mailing list" (for which I signed up months ago).

Without allocating development resources to the iPhone, there will be no product. It's easy to say "...it's all Apple's fault..." but other small developers have done what iambic has not: created, tested and sold software for the iPhone. Many of them have sold surprisingly large quantities of their applications and exceeded their expectations for revenue.

I believe that iambic needs to either "poop or get off the pot". If you're going to be an iPhone developer, then DO IT! But don't string people along and cast blame elsewhere for the company's own inaction.

[iMarc845]

Say, I have a microwave with a microprocessor in it...... do you think you can get Agendus running on it before Labor Day? :rolleyes:

I was going to respond to this lame attempt at sarcasm... but "...Never mind!"

[blueshaker]

Don't worry. WebIS (the author of Pocket Informant on WM OS) plans to release their flagship product on iPhone in the second half of this year. Too bad for Iambic if they still hesitate...

Thanks, I will go the one that can release earlier...... The answer will be clear already.... Good luck, iambic. :mad:

[magnes]

I have been with Iambic and a palms device user now for 6 years. I can tell you, I would prefer to purchase Agendus for the IPhone but I would go for the first developer that comes out with a great program.:D If thats WEBIS then WEBIS it is. Iambic, get your act together and create the DA#M program. Sorry if that sounds mean. :)

[Fastwalking]

I think I speak for all when I say I WANT AGENDUS - not Webis - AGENDUS.

I recognize the Apple can be difficult, but please give us a bone here, is this going to happen or not?? If not, I will reactivate my Palm 700p for my Agendus and use my iphone for everything else. The calendar and contacts in iphone are lousy and really only designed for kids and wannnabes. If you want a real PIM you need Agendus - no substitutes thanks.

By the way Iambic, how did Webis get so far ahead of you??

I have searched and searched for info on this and I am close to giving up on Agendus - Come on guys - wassup?

[iMarc845]

Hi Fastwalking,

I can answer one of your questions ("How did WebIS get so far ahead of you?")

Based upon what was stated by Iambic/forum team members in the previous Agendus for iPhone topic (which mysteriously disappeared from the Iambic forum), it's a matter of resources. The Iambic/forum folks explicitly stated that the vast majority of their time and efforts were being devoted to Agendus for Blackberry. I got an email this past weekend announcing that very product.

As I've pointed out previously, the iPhone mailing list has never sent me a single email (nope, not yet.). I signed up for that a very long time ago. Maybe now with the Blackberry version out the door, Iambic will actually devote some development resources to the iPhone.

But I have no illusion that the 1.0 version of Agendus for iPhone will be very usable. I base this upon my experience with the Palm version for several years. Bugs that were pointed out in Palm version 10 were not fixed even in version 12.x. Requested features that I was personally told were "... on the list ..." as early as version 9.x were still not implemented in version 12.x.

I really hope I'm wrong and that Agendus for iPhone 1.0, whenever it comes out, is a great application. But I would certainly not hold my breath waiting for it.

[Allibama]

Let's not forget, either, that Apple has now made it twice as hard for apps to get into the store, and are going so far as to have developers sign an NDA prior to even submitting an app.

[Fastwalking]

Thank you iMarc845 and Alli for your replies, however given Alli's lack of information on a clear direction, I have to assume that Agendus for windows is likely years away if it happens at all. I understand the resource issue, but I have to get back to work. As such I guess I will have to find an alternative. Very disappointing. Without a doubt I am Agendus biggest fan - but I cannot function without a quality PIM. I think I made a mistake in jumping into this iphone mess too early – does anyone know of a decent PIM for iphone – or is Apple locking them out due to duplicity with their own “system”?

Thanks for your input guys.

[Allibama]

Agendus for iPhone is months away, not years - providng it is accepted into the app store.

Looking through the app store as it stands today, there is a decided lack of productivity tools. iPhone is great if you want to play games, though.

[Fastwalking]

I agree with you Alli, none of iphones “apps” have any real value. Games, lookups, weather and more games - that’s why on the surface it seems like such a great opportunity for Agendus - Having said that and after having done some more research, it seems Apple doesn’t allow "apps" to touch other "apps" ( ie “Open Clip”) so reaching into contacts or email will be difficult if not impossible. How have you worked around this? Or am I mistaken?

I wish I knew then what I know now - it is becoming very apparent I should have stayed with Blackberry.

[adriano]

quickie here -- Alli is actually quite on target timeframe-wise when she refers to months rather than year(s).

We'll post up an estimate on Agendus for iPhone's availability in the next 2 to 3 weeks.

As far as beta -- undecided whether to have one at the moment. Chances are if we'll have it, it will be a private beta since as you know getting Apps on the iPhone is not exactly a "get this binary on my card and run it" or "get it ota through some website" sort of thing. And although great from an end-user perspective, this makes things a bit convoluted for a power-user / developer perspective.

- Adriano

[Fastwalking]

Well now I’m excited. I would much rather have Agendus than any other PIM – You guys are the best. As long as I’m here, can I put in a request for a “week view”. I can't believe Apple left this simple thing out (although there are a number of obvious things they left out). I would think that it should switch from day view to week view by simply turning the screen to landscape – but what do I know? I can't wait to see what you have come up with. I will wait for Agendus now that you tell me it’s close. Thanks for your input folks.

p.s.: Allibama – what a cool name!

[Allibama]

It will be nice to see an actual productivity tool on the iPhone.

Hehehe...I'm Alli and stuck in Alabama. The nick was a natural. ;)

[mdlissner]

In a holding pattern waiting for the Blackberry Bold. My Patience is starting to wear thin, and having Agendus on the iPhone would make it more attractive - especially if you can make a task module that will sync with Outlook - the lack of a task app is a major roadblock to my acquiring an iPhone.

[iMarc845]

quickie here -- Alli is actually quite on target timeframe-wise when she refers to months rather than year(s).

We'll post up an estimate on Agendus for iPhone's availability in the next 2 to 3 weeks.

As far as beta -- undecided whether to have one at the moment. Chances are if we'll have it, it will be a private beta since as you know getting Apps on the iPhone is not exactly a "get this binary on my card and run it" or "get it ota through some website" sort of thing. And although great from an end-user perspective, this makes things a bit convoluted for a power-user / developer perspective.

- Adriano

Hi Adriano,

Just to offer my two cents here: I'm a beta tester for two other iPhone applications at the moment. Installing a new release actually IS as easy as downloading the new version & unzipping it; dragging the updated Ad Hoc file into iTunes; replying OK to the overwrite warning; then dragging the updated app into iTunes and replying OK to that overwrite warning. It literally takes two minutes.

It's true that Ad Hoc distribution (and therefore betas) are limited to 100 users. But I think you're going to have a better release product if you have more people testing it for you. Additionally, Iambic will benefit by having folks who are familiar with Agendus from other platforms (i.e.: Palm) who "... know the ropes ..." and are NOT part of the design/programming team.

I have often been amazed when I watch a user try out one of my software updates. They usually try to do something I never envisioned and didn't program for. Getting their input has virtually always forced me to deliver a more robust program with better error handling.

And yes, I am volunteering to beta test Agendus for iPhone. While I have had some issues with the way certain features were implemented or the way some bugs were not quashed, the fact remains that I used Agendus on my Treo 650 every day. And I still miss having that functionality on my iPhone. So if I can help you folks get Agendus up and running on the iPhone sooner as a better, more functional product, I would like to help.

[jegolu]

Bonjour from Paris!

Agendus for iPhone is also something I am expecting.

Moving from my Palm T to the iPhone this summer was great, but I really miss the 'Agendus for Windows + Agendus for Palm' bundle.

Looking forward to receive good news from iambic soon...

[lolongan]

Thank you iMarc845 and Alli for your replies, however given Alli's lack of information on a clear direction, I have to assume that Agendus for windows is likely years away if it happens at all. I understand the resource issue, but I have to get back to work. As such I guess I will have to find an alternative. Very disappointing. Without a doubt I am Agendus biggest fan - but I cannot function without a quality PIM. I think I made a mistake in jumping into this iphone mess too early – does anyone know of a decent PIM for iphone – or is Apple locking them out due to duplicity with their own “system”?

Thanks for your input guys.
Iambic people, you'd better hurry up. Just a few days ago a quite promising app has been released on Appstore. For what I can see, it has received a very favourable welcome from users, if not for its unstability - which will be adressed in the next update. The name of this app is SmartTime.

[adriano]

thanks for the heads-up -- we are aware of at least a couple of good PIM solutions coming up for the iPhone in the near future... not surprising, and yes we are hurrying up :)

Although getting there first or sooner than planned doesn't necessarily mean landing a users' favorite or superior product.

- Adriano

[Allibama]

I just watched their video - looks like they are offering tasks - something the iPhone left out of their PIM management altogether. It doesn't come close to what Agendus does.

[lolongan]

I just watched their video - looks like they are offering tasks - something the iPhone left out of their PIM management altogether. It doesn't come close to what Agendus does.

FYI, they are not offering only tasks but integration of tasks and calendar events, with direct link to Contact database, just as Agendus does on other platforms. I know it because I have downloaded the app and use it.

[lolongan]

Although getting there first or sooner than planned doesn't necessarily mean landing a users' favorite or superior product.

- Adriano

Sure. I mentioned this product because I am myself quite enthousiastic about it. When it will be less unstable and people start using it heavily, I think that they will be less enclined to switch to another product, unless it is far more superior. I think that for 2 products of the same quality, the first who comes will have a clear advantage. You guys are the leader and reference on Palm OS, but it is a dead platform (sad to say that but this is reality), I just wish you could concentrated your effort on more promising platform such as iPhone Mac OS.

[Fastwalking]

Sure. I mentioned this product because I am myself quite enthousiastic about it. When it will be less unstable and people start using it heavily, I think that they will be less enclined to switch to another product, unless it is far more superior. I think that for 2 products of the same quality, the first who comes will have a clear advantage. You guys are the leader and reference on Palm OS, but it is a dead platform (sad to say that but this is reality), I just wish you could concentrated your effort on more promising platform such as iPhone Mac OS.

Sorry, but "SmartTime" isnt even in the same league as Agendus - actually noone is. Thats why we need it so bad. I cant wait for it to come out and i check here daily to see if there are updates.

[lolongan]

Sorry, but "SmartTime" isnt even in the same league as Agendus - actually noone is.
How could you say that ? You did not even see a single screenshot of Agendus on iPhone. Myself I love Agendus on Palm OS, I used to use it since its very beginning, when its name was not Agendus. But I was for example more than disappointed by Agendus on Symbian OS.

[iMarc845]

Sorry, but "SmartTime" isnt even in the same league as Agendus - actually noone is. Thats why we need it so bad. I cant wait for it to come out and i check here daily to see if there are updates.

I agree that SmartTime isn't in the same league... After all, it's a real iPhone product. Agendus for iPhone is only a concept, at best; vaporware at worst.

Let's try to keep grounded, shall we?

[Fastwalking]

I think I have "perspective". I also have Smarttime on my iphone and its OK but no big deal. I agree I haven’t seen Agendus on iphone so I am speaking from my Palm experience. I also did not really like Agendus on my Blackberry - but Blackberry is not a developer friendly product. Which brings us to the iphone. This is a concern for iphone as they are unreasonably difficult with apps that overlap with their basic applications and that may included Agendus type operations. On a Palm phone Agendus could tap into the calendar, contacts, email and phone functions, alter the data and send it back to the databases. I’m concerned Apple won’t allow this and Agendus may be much less than it was on Palm. If this is the case – I will definitely change to a product that does allow Agendus to be all it can be – even if that means going back to Palm (Gulp). Agendus is that important to me – iphone is not.

[ysengrain]

Everything is in the title of this post

[pdradley]

I am afraid that the pessimists are right, Agendus and similar PIM applications will be barred by Apple, if SmartTime is any example: it is no longer available in the iTunes store. Apple told us all that the iPhone 3G was to be a business-friendly phone: they are, in my opinion, not true to their word. Let's hope that somehow Agendus can get itself in.

[lolongan]

I am afraid that the pessimists are right, Agendus and similar PIM applications will be barred by Apple, if SmartTime is any example: it is no longer available in the iTunes store. Apple told us all that the iPhone 3G was to be a business-friendly phone: they are, in my opinion, not true to their word. Let's hope that somehow Agendus can get itself in.
I still see it on Appstore !

[pdradley]

Just try to download it, it will tell you it is no longer available.

[Fastwalking]

I am afraid that the pessimists are right, Agendus and similar PIM applications will be barred by Apple, if SmartTime is any example: it is no longer available in the iTunes store. Apple told us all that the iPhone 3G was to be a business-friendly phone: they are, in my opinion, not true to their word. Let's hope that somehow Agendus can get itself in.


To be brutally honest, I have little confidence that Apple will allow Agendus to be Agendus and although I made the mistake of believing Apple (I even went out and bought an iphone) when they said they wanted to be a business phone, in reality Apple never did understand business - they just make pretty gadgets. It might be a better use of Iambic's time to construct a version for the new Blackberry "Storm". At least they have a head start there and Blackberry is much more a business phone than Apple will ever be.
Apple has a new Version of their OS coming out soon (version 2.2) but they still did not include “cut and paste” and I no longer believe they will – they like their little magnifying glass – which further demonstrates they are more a toy than a business device. Apparently they have included a powerful new feature in the new OS – soon you will be able to turn off “auto correct”!! Can you believe this was a bigger priority than cut and paste? I don’t know what they are doing but I’m tired of the “apps” store because it’s all games.

[michael]

Hi Fastwalking,
Wow, a little frustrated with Apple? Hehe, I understand. They do make things difficult in some cases for developers, and don't necessarily cater to the "business-class" customer as do other mobile platforms. They do, however cater to (and very well I might add) the "eye-candy" and "coolness-freaks" because their devices do very cool things in a very innovative way and they look awesome.

We're actually completely optimistic that Apple will accept Agendus for iPhone.

Now regarding the BB Storm...not a lot of additional focus will have to be given exclusively to it because all of our initial testing on simulators from RIM indicate that it will already work perfectly without any major modifications. We will only have to possibly modify the layouts to take advantage of the larger and landscape-enabled screen rotation. Even there it already looks fine, we'll just tweak it some. The touch-screen facilities already work fine on controls where current BBs require the trackball/return action.

I'm personally excited about the Storm, since my personal wireless service is with VZW :D

[iMarc845]

<snip>
Apple has a new Version of their OS coming out soon (version 2.2) but they still did not include “cut and paste” and I no longer believe they will – they like their little magnifying glass – which further demonstrates they are more a toy than a business device. Apparently they have included a powerful new feature in the new OS – soon you will be able to turn off “auto correct”!! Can you believe this was a bigger priority than cut and paste? I don’t know what they are doing but I’m tired of the “apps” store because it’s all games.

Fastwalking,

You may not be aware of this, so I'll mention it... Apple has stated publicly that they are working on Cut & Paste for the iPhone. If they're talking about it, you can bet they're working on it. They have also maintained that they want to do it correctly so that it works across the entire OS. Some third-parties have attempted Cut & Paste and it's not consistent.

As for turning off that awful "auto correct": YAY! I am VERY MUCH in favor of it. It has always annoyed me that I have to do the LEAST intuitive thing (tap the suggested word) to NOT accept it. I have said for months that there should be an option to reverse the accept/decline from <space>/<tap> to <tap>/<space>. Having the ability to turn it off is a close second.

Also, think about it this way: it's a quick hit which will make a good number of people happy. As a programmer, I can tell you that it's much easier to check a switch and bypass an existing function than to add in something as broad as Cut & Paste will be. I absolutely agree that Cut & Paste is long overdue. I'm just hoping that Apple really does get it right.

My point is that the auto correct switch isn't necessarily higher priority, it was much easier to accomplish. So they're "... tossing us a bone ..." until they get Cut & Paste ready.

That's just my two cents.

[lolongan]

Just try to download it, it will tell you it is no longer available.
I've retried. It's still there, available for download.

[Fastwalking]

Hi Fastwalking,
Wow, a little frustrated with Apple? Hehe, I understand. They do make things difficult in some cases for developers, and don't necessarily cater to the "business-class" customer as do other mobile platforms. They do, however cater to (and very well I might add) the "eye-candy" and "coolness-freaks" because their devices do very cool things in a very innovative way and they look awesome.

We're actually completely optimistic that Apple will accept Agendus for iPhone.


Well, now I'm excited - please keep us updated on your progress - I can't wait - I've always wondered what Agendus would look like on some thing as graphic as the iphone.

[Fastwalking]

Fastwalking,

You may not be aware of this, so I'll mention it... Apple has stated publicly that they are working on Cut & Paste for the iPhone. If they're talking about it, you can bet they're working on it. They have also maintained that they want to do it correctly so that it works across the entire OS. Some third-parties have attempted Cut & Paste and it's not consistent.

As for turning off that awful "auto correct": YAY! I am VERY MUCH in favor of it. It has always annoyed me that I have to do the LEAST intuitive thing (tap the suggested word) to NOT accept it. I have said for months that there should be an option to reverse the accept/decline from <space>/<tap> to <tap>/<space>. Having the ability to turn it off is a close second.

Also, think about it this way: it's a quick hit which will make a good number of people happy. As a programmer, I can tell you that it's much easier to check a switch and bypass an existing function than to add in something as broad as Cut & Paste will be. I absolutely agree that Cut & Paste is long overdue. I'm just hoping that Apple really does get it right.

My point is that the auto correct switch isn't necessarily higher priority, it was much easier to accomplish. So they're "... tossing us a bone ..." until they get Cut & Paste ready.

That's just my two cents.


Thanks IMarc845 - that was very refreshing - you don't often get such straight talk. I understand what you are saying and I will lilghten up on Apple - a little. You guys are tops.

[iMarc845]

I've retried. It's still there, available for download.

Once more, my two cents...

Pdradley was correct that for a few days, SmartTime was NOT available on AppStore. I had also received the message that it was unavailable for download a few days ago.

I'm happy to say it has returned. I just tried to download it and AppStore would (apparently) have allowed me to do so. (An alert popped up stating that I'd already downloaded it but that I could do so again if I wanted.)

Of course, there's no info as to WHY it was unavailable for a few days. I'd REALLY like to see Apple give more info on AppStore.

[pdradley]

Thanks for the clarification. I went back to it over the weekend and did manage to download it. It is, for me at any rate, completely useless: my minimum requirement is that the application sync with the desktop, and if it does not I will not use it as I have no intention of entering everything on the phone. It is clearly no match for a full-featured application such as Agendus, it's not even a good substitute.

[photojojo]

I consider myself a power user of Agendus on my Treo. I bought an iphone this week because of a timing issue. If Iambic didn't say they were working on it I wouldn't have done it. The small thing I miss the most right now...icons on my month view.

[lolongan]

Thanks for the clarification. I went back to it over the weekend and did manage to download it. It is, for me at any rate, completely useless: my minimum requirement is that the application sync with the desktop, and if it does not I will not use it as I have no intention of entering everything on the phone. It is clearly no match for a full-featured application such as Agendus, it's not even a good substitute.

I agree that without sync function, it is just a toy rather than an useful app.
But they've just announced that their new version, available in 4 weeks, will have sync function implemented !
And then, there is also WebIs which announces that their app "Pocket Informant" for iPhone will be released late November this year, for sure.
There is competition in the air... Iambic, hurry up !
BTW, both PI and ST will sync with Google Calendar. I wonder what is Iambic plan for "Agendus" for iPhone ?

[Fastwalking]

Hi guys, I'm really getting anxious, any word on the status of Agendus for iphone?

[ursula]

As of now though our timeline is not as firm as the one for WebIs as of when our Agendus will be available.

- Adriano[/QUOTE]

Hi Adriano!

I subscribed weeks ago for informations about whats going on für iPhone (http://www.iambic.com/products/?iphone) But I never got a mail about this :confused:

What happened till now?? Please let us know. Could you please let me (and many other iPhone-user) know the timeline??

Best regards

Ursula

[Allibama]

Agendus for iPhone is still being actively developed, although it is Iambic's policy not to release timelines or future release dates. Keep in mind, that the App store has pretty much changed the way developers interact with customers and made it very difficult to get things into the App store. (Note the continued underabundance of productivity apps compared to the thousands of games available.)

[ursula]

Agendus for iPhone is still being actively developed, although it is Iambic's policy not to release timelines or future release dates. Keep in mind, that the App store has pretty much changed the way developers interact with customers and made it very difficult to get things into the App store. (Note the continued underabundance of productivity apps compared to the thousands of games available.)

I don't ask you to tell me "on monday, 1st dezember you can buy agendus" but I would like to know when you think agendus for iPhone will be available. THIS YEAR, 1st quater of 2009 or do you want to tell us "wait the next 5 years, maybe you will get a mail then" :down:
:weird::weird::weird::weird::weird::weird::weird:

[Fastwalking]

I have to agree with Ursula - give us some idea if or when this might be available. I know its only been 6 weeks since my last post, but there are no updates from Iambic so one begins to wonder if it has gone the way of "cut and paste". :(

[Allibama]

Ahahahahaha!!!! You mean the iPhone isn't perfect already? As I mentioned previously, it is Iambic's policy not to give any timelines or dates. Rest assured, that it is still being actively developed.

[iMarc845]

Ahahahahaha!!!! You mean the iPhone isn't perfect already? As I mentioned previously, it is Iambic's policy not to give any timelines or dates. Rest assured, that it is still being actively developed.

You tell us to "... rest assured ..." yet in all the months since I subscribed to the email list, I've never received one single communication. It's very nervy to expect people to live in a total information vacuum and patiently wait. What have you done to inspire ANY sort of confidence?? :weird:

And then to use the old "... policy not to give any timelines or dates ..." when people are asking for a generic update without specifics is, IMO, adding insult to injury. Apple can sometimes get away with statements like that (though more often they're called to task for it). Come on, are we talking 2009 or 2012? "Actively developed" can mean one person spending an hour a week or a team of twenty working full-time. But I doubt you'll say anything salient in response, so I'll stop wasting my time.

[adriano]

why all this anger and unhappyness?

We feel your impatience. I am impatient myself (in fact I hardly have any patience at all -- which makes dealing with me quite a challenge for the others you see around here with the iambic logo :D).

I'd like to get things out faster, better, issue free as much as you'd like to use them. Well I like using our software toys too for the matter :)

Talking about toys... we got one in the oven which is almost ready for prime time (and sorry, no, it's not Agendus yet). We might even be able to have it on the app store end of next week, but that is a bit unlikely... not because of coding issues, because of graphics. Got to have a lot of them for iphone apps to make them shine.

Anyway, expect something (very useful btw) coming up from us in the app store if not end of November, first week of December.

- Adriano

[sftirol]

As much as I'd like an iGendus now, I prefer to wait for a stable and fuller featured app closer to the functionality of the palmos v12 than the winmobile v3. Iambic has thier work cut out for them considering that crApple still hasn't given iphones and Touches task and note sync even though plain ole ipods perform those very tasks.

Smart Time, Saisuke, and even 44 Jots look promising, but I've chosen not to rely on products without local sync or at least local backup.

I've had my touch for six days and have been testing it like crazy to help me decide whether to return it and replace my elderly TX with a new TX or Z22. I didn't even buy the Touch until I combed review sites and the appstore to find possible replacements for Agendus, Mobipocket, docs to go, repligo and Super memo. I double I'll find drop in substitutes, but I'm handling task and note sync by using all day appointments on extra calendars I created for those items. It's not my preference, but it works.

[lolongan]

Smart Time, Saisuke, and even 44 Jots look promising, but I've chosen not to rely on products without local sync or at least local backup.

I wonder if Agendus will have local sync but I think that it's not a coïncidence if all the products you mention, and also Pocket Informant (not yet released) choose to sync with Google cal. Iambic has the advantage of having its own desktop product Agendus for Windows. But at the end of the day, I think that it is better to sync over the air with Google cal. Then, you can always, if you want, sync Google cal with popular desktop product such as Outlook or iCal.

[sftirol]

I wonder if Agendus will have local sync but I think that it's not a coïncidence if all the products you mention, and also Pocket Informant (not yet released) choose to sync with Google cal. Iambic has the advantage of having its own desktop product Agendus for Windows. But at the end of the day, I think that it is better to sync over the air with Google cal. Then, you can always, if you want, sync Google cal with popular desktop product such as Outlook or iCal.

Not all users can simply decide to use Google or another vendor's online offerings. My employer's security auditors have always looked askance at Google mail and apps because of security and ip issues, but Google was also recently eliminated as a possible replacement for our enterprise system partly due to their stance on backups, restoration, & customer service, and this was just at the sysadmin level. Google's basically banned for us and it's not worth the trouble to subvert my firm's policy.

I also choose my touch because I wasn't going to spend extra money over time on AT&T just to get the cam and voice features of the iphone. Many app store reviews of pims show I'm also not the only one not excited over the seeming requirement to use online intermediaries to get local sync, particularly when Apple already provides a crippled local sync for touchscreen products and full sync for regular ipods. I fully realize that Apple is part of the problem and developers large and small are simply working within the framework Apple provided.

I have more flexibility than some since I already run Exchange servers for my dept and my employer is likely to choose Exchange for the enterprise. Still, I prefer a local sync to better seperate some work and personal data on my personal device.

I'm already on the PI iphone mailing list, but didn't like PI Winmobile because it didn't offer views I depended on in palmos Agendus and it seemed to require many more taps than Agendus to perform similar tasks. I recently dusted off my Axim and purchased Agendus for it, but haven't used either since deciding to the choice was only between sticking with palm or moving to apple. I also unfortunately upgraded to the agendus 12 palm+desktop bundle only to find the size and weight of the touch is such that I'm using it a lot more than my tx. So, I'm abandoning the palm for the short term.

[adriano]

In regards to where Agendus will look for PIM data, this is something currently under review -- if at all possible we'll tap into the native data storages, in line with all our other Agendus' flavors. We'll keep you posted as we move along with the development.

I'm already on the PI iphone mailing list, but didn't like PI Winmobile because it didn't offer views I depended on in palmos Agendus and it seemed to require many more taps than Agendus to perform similar tasks. I recently dusted off my Axim and purchased Agendus for it, but haven't used either since deciding to the choice was only between sticking with palm or moving to apple. I also unfortunately upgraded to the agendus 12 palm+desktop bundle only to find the size and weight of the touch is such that I'm using it a lot more than my tx. So, I'm abandoning the palm for the short term.

sftirol, your thoughs and feedback above made for an interesting reading -- thanks for sharing. We truly appreciate your trust in Agendus :)

- Adriano

[Fastwalking]

Hi Adriano,

To be honest, it makes me pretty nervous that that key piece has not been put to bed yet. If they dont allow you to tap into the native data, then what would you do? Apple doesnt appear willing to allow any other apps to synch with itunes so you would need to synch with outlook another way. (assuming of course that Apple wont allow your app to touch their app) Take a look at "photosynch" - they synch the photos on your iphone to your computer via wifi. As long as we can synch with Outlook (or other) i dont care if i use the ipone's contacts and calendars.

[rsgmoose]

A,

I 've been using an app called IMexchange from a company called RERLSoft. It allows a remote connection to Tasks, Notes and Contacts. It does not use any native database on the device - it's simply a remote connection to the Exchange Server.

Just thought you'd like to know?

[kbd517]

Allibama- "Ahahahahaha!!!! You mean the iPhone isn't perfect already? As I mentioned previously, it is Iambic's policy not to give any timelines or dates. Rest assured, that it is still being actively developed."

Adriano "why all this anger and unhappyness? etc..."

Dear Allibama and Adrianao...
You and the rest of the Iambic team obviously don't get it. Please pay attention to what your loyal (though who knows for how much longer) customers are saying. Allibama's and Adriano's snarkiness is going to cost you customers. I am angry enough that I actually just registered on this forum. I am a former Treo user who now uses an iPhone. I have been following these forums since I got the iPhone on 7/11/08. I used Agendus on my treo, and it was a good product. If you have such contempt (evidenced by the comments I quoted above, and many others) for the iPhone and the MILLIONS of paying customers who love it, then don't bother stringing us along. We all know the iPhone isn't perfect, Allibama, which is why we expect the few voids there are to be filled by 3rd party companies such as Iambic. The iPhone may not have a massive market share yet, but come on! 10 MILLION units have been sold already. Are you so blind as a company that you dismiss us so easily? If you don't want our money (and think about the fact that those of us who have spent all this money for the iPhone, then more money in the app store would be more than willing to pay for a good product) then don't bother. Why should we "rest assured" that agendus is being actively developed, when we have seen NO evidence? I signed up for the update emails as soon as I saw the page months ago. I have not received 1 single email. Not even a "Hey- we haven't forgotten about you- right now we're working on "X" and we'll let you know when we get to the next step". Even when this fact has been mentioned a bunch of times in the forum, we STILL haven't gotten any emails. I am so irritated by your contempt for us, that I may just wait for Pocket Informant, which won't have exactly what I want, to come out and BUY that. I'm also registered on their forum, and you know what? It's an active forum, and the developers and even the CEO participate in the forums. They haven't given us a solid date, either, but they obviously haven't forgotten about us. They put screen shots of the alpha up for us to see... they ACTIVELY solicit ideas and suggestions, and then... get this... COMMUNICATE with us about these ideas and suggestions. AND, they have been very forthright about the fact that PI 1.0 isn't going to be *perfect*. As they've said, it took years and lots of development to get the WinMo version where it is now, but they've laid out a sort of roadmap about when various features can be added. When we ask for features that may not be possible at this point or in the future, they explain why. I haven't bought any of their products yet, but the customer service is good, even before they have the customers. Iambic could learn a lot about how to treat customers by checking out the forums... :down:

[Allibama]

Nobody is trying to be snarky. Nobody is trying to exclude iPhone customers with the possible exception of the Apple corporation, who seems to feel their product is perfect as is, and doesn't need any kind of productivity applications. While you are researching the number of iPhone users, please feel free to research the difficulty developers have faced, are facing, and will likely continue to face in trying to get anything other than games into the app store.

Although he may post behind me and correct me, but I'm pretty sure Adriano does not want to develop only for jailbroken iPhones.

[kbd517]

If you guys aren't trying to be snarky, then I suggest you proof-read your posts for tone, and consider how your words may be interpreted. Apple isn't perfect. I get that. I know how the SDK hogties developers. I'm not happy about it, either, and have given Apple that feedback. However, Apple's actions needn't dictate Iambic's. If you don't choose to work with what Apple gives you, fine- then don't. However, if you ARE going to bring us a product we want and need, then please be professional about it. Stop complaining about Apple's policies if you're going to take advantage of the MILLIONS of customers who want what you have to offer. We understand that it's not an easy process, and I'm grateful to the companies that choose to jump through the hoops to bring their product to market. Perhaps if I summarize my points, Iambic can respond to them.

1)If you're going to have a sign up for email updates, give us updates.

2)Throw us a bone- give us some idea of what you're working on- what features might we expect in Agendus 1.0, and what may we see in the future? Show us some screenshots- you'll build some much needed good will within the iPhone community.

3)The SDK has been out since March- if there are parts of it that are particularly onerous, why not let us know what they are? You'd certainly garner some sympathy, and if we know what the problems are, we can also contact Apple and say ""Hey- "X,Y, and Z" are hogtieing developers, and preventing them from giving us the apps we want. If there are more apps we want available, then more people will buy iphones, thus making Apple (and the developers) more money, too!""

4)Lose the contempt. I don't care if you think the iPhone is a toy. Tech elitism is juvenile. There's enough equipment out there that most of us can find what makes us happy. It's not perfect, but you know what? With a few more serious apps, like agendus could be, the iPhone will be taken more seriously. We're customers, and if you want our money, and our willingness to talk up your product, then show us that we matter to you.

[iMarc845]

I could not agree more with you, kbd517. You have clearly stated exactly what the forum staff have refused to acknowledge. :up:

Allibama: you may not have INTENDED to be snarky but it sure SOUNDED that way to me.

[Fastwalking]

Adriano and Alibama,

I think what you are hearing is pent up frustration. Many people, myself included, relied on Agendus for our day to day activities. Not having a useful PIM is a very serious matter to many people and as for myself, has cost me greatly in lost productivity. The prospect of having Agendus on our iphone is very, very positive but we do need to be kept abreast of progress. As I said before I have experienced a great cost in lost productivity and cannot wait much longer for a solution. I need a decent PIM and time management tool NOW. As I try to follow the progress of Agendus, I am also searching for an alternative. Frankly, if I find something I can use right away, I will likely go with it because, as I said before, this is a serious issue with me and many others. This is not another game for iphone - most of us want/need a solid productivity tool and Agendus is (was?) the best out there but the truth is, life goes on - If I can’t have Agendus, I will settle for some other solution ...because I have to. I hope IMexchange works as I seriously doubt Apple will cooperate.

Thanks and please keep us updated.
John

[rsgmoose]

I signed up for email alerts to a competing product and guess what - no notices from them either. Their original message said something would be released in the third quarter......well here we are nearly in December and I haven't recieved one email and their site doesn't give a specific date either.

You folks need to lighten up.

[kbd517]

I signed up for email alerts to a competing product and guess what - no notices from them either. Their original message said something would be released in the third quarter......well here we are nearly in December and I haven't recieved one email and their site doesn't give a specific date either.

You folks need to lighten up.

No, actually, we do NOT need to lighten up. If you're unsatisfied with customer service from ANY company, then speak up about it! While I don't care for the "squeaky wheel gets the grease" analogy, as it leads to unfocused whining, there is a kernel of truth to it. If you're not happy, then call them on it! What have you got to lose?

[Allibama]

It would be one thing if you were receiving poor customer support. But right now there is no product for which to receive any support. We do understand your frustration, and you are right, squeaking only focuses on your unhappiness, and will not get a product to market any faster.

Meanwhile, try to remember that you purchased iPhones knowing they supported nothing but games. Our developers are coding as fast as they can. Berating them and our support staff will get you nowhere. Again, given the lack of any kind of pim management solution for the iPhone, surely you can understand what a daunting task it is, or someone would have done it by now.

[Fastwalking]

[QUOTE=Allibama;141556] Berating them and our support staff will get you nowhere. QUOTE]

No one is berating any one. We are your number one fans (or we wouldn't be here) - just throw us a bone once in a while - an update now and then. At least we'll know something is happening.

Thanks,
John

[Allibama]

And we appreciate that. But there is no bone to throw. If we tell you the product will be ready on Tuesday, you will be let down when it isn't there at 9 a.m. If we tell you it will be ready after noon, you will be disappointed when it's not ready at 12:30. All we can tell you is that it is being actively developed and we are still hoping to have it out before the end of the year.

[kbd517]

Wow. I cannot tell you how incredibly disappointed I am in your response. Considering you didn't respond to a single point I've made, there's no reason for me to bother trying any further. However, I will give you one last bit of advice, and for the sake of your company, I sincerely hope you take this into consideration. Multiple customers, who continue to express interest in giving you money, have expressed frustration regarding a number of issues. The only response has been alternating between blaming Apple and showing contempt for those of us who bought the iPhone "knowing they supported nothing but games". I really appreciate being condescended to by reps of a company with such poor customer relations skills. Perhaps you might consider not "biting the hand that feeds you".
UPDATE- my comments are re: Allibama's 3:10pm post.

[Fastwalking]

...we are still hoping to have it out before the end of the year.

Hi Ali,

That's exactly what we're looking for, not a set date but an idea that you working on it. Adriano gave an interesting comment a while ago about synching issues and things you guys are working on to overcome it. That’s all it has to be. It only gets frustrating when you hear nothing - or the response is laughter. We're in this with you - keep us in the game.

John

[Fastwalking]

Hi kbd517, calm down a little - you’re going to burst a blood vessel. I think we all understand how frustrated you are - we all are - but let’s not get out of control. I’m sure they get the point and I'm sure we will hear more status reports in the future.

[pdradley]

I think much of the problem comes from the speed at which so much in the computer world develops: we expect to have the product fast, very fast, so delays, any delays, are intolerable. The dialogue we are all having now, however, is a help, so thanks for responding. You are not the first developers, as we all know, to have problems with the Apple way of marketing. Amazingly, despite the pretensions of Apple that all the applications sold in the AppStore are up to very high standards of performance because they subject them to unique Apple review, I have come across applications that are very poor. I don't think they need that kind of review with Iambic, but that is not an option. BTW, I did not buy the iPhone as a game phone, I bought it to replace my MotoQ and, in many respects, it is better. When it comes to a good PIM, however, I must wait for you to produce, and I will (though, I hope, not too much longer).

[rsgmoose]

No, actually, we do NOT need to lighten up. If you're unsatisfied with customer service from ANY company, then speak up about it! While I don't care for the "squeaky wheel gets the grease" analogy, as it leads to unfocused whining, there is a kernel of truth to it. If you're not happy, then call them on it! What have you got to lose?

I think unfocused whining is what we've got here. Read the forum rules - this thread has gotten dangerously off the main purpose.

I have monitored the "other" company's forum and they are not saying anything specific on a timeline for release.

Adriano will give us something when he's got specifics and screen shots. But all of this "whining" does nothing but change the focus on his part to "monitor" the thread.

If we lighten up - he may be able to spend more time on the product rather than trying to answer these whining threads.

[Joseph Arison]

Hi,
I noticed you were considering the opportunity of developping for the iPhone.
If my voice could encourage you to design and release an Agendus for the iPhone, I would be a bit proud.
Till today, there is absolutly no seriuos PIM for this device.
Please ....



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[Joseph Arison]

Until Apple allows third party applications for the iPhone, it leaves everyone out.



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[adriano]

I think unfocused whining is what we've got here.

yep, this really looks like the case. I read above comments which honestly quite hurt me. Like we enjoing not having Agendus for iPhone available, or we purposedly enjoy making potential users wait indefinitely.

Too bad for this thread cause it started off like something that could have become an interesting reading, instead it is now ending up in a flame war over something we don't even have yet.

I'm really tempted to close it, unless anyone feel like saying something constructive or providing meaningful feedback.

- Adriano

[Gurringo]

yep, this really looks like the case. I read above comments which honestly quite hurt me. Like we enjoing not having Agendus for iPhone available, or we purposedly enjoy making potential users wait indefinitely.

Too bad for this thread cause it started off like something that could have become an interesting reading, instead it is now ending up in a flame war over something we don't even have yet.

I'm really tempted to close it, unless anyone feel like saying something constructive or providing meaningful feedback.

- Adriano

Hey!. I'm one of the many former Agendus (palm) users for many years.
I, as others, migrated to iPhone this summer... and I, as many, miss the great, enormous usefulness of Agendus.
Of course we need something like that in our iPhones, and I know your are probably the best placed to give us the solution.
Take your time. And if only we can have an app that makes work together calendar, agenda and to-dos, I'll be happy.
Cheer up!

[pdradley]

Posters here (including me) have noted that the PocketInformant (PI) developers have announced an iphone application to be due at the end of this month (I doubt that it will appear then). I want to note that I will not buy the announced PI, because it will include only the calendar and tasks and will not integrate with contacts or notes (which, of course, like tasks, must be added, since they are not part of the iphone's PIM setup). I want, therefore, to express a wish that the Agendus now under development include integration among all 4 PIM parts, if at all feasible). And I am happy to wait for what I know from past experience will be a good product.

[Fastwalking]

Adriano and Ali,

If I was out of line, I apologize. Chalk it up to frustration. I used Agendus on my Treo for so long I was actually lost when my Treo died and my carrier stopped carrying Palm products. I have taken to using a paper based system and it of course doesn’t hold a candle to what I could do with my Agendus, but what can you do? I am very anxious for Agendus on iphone as I am tired of the cost of changing systems. I noticed Pocket Informant is having similar issues trying to get their product ready for iphone and I noticed you guys already have some titles ready for Android. I did not realize it was that much more difficult to do iphone apps. Hang in there. I hope your synching solution works. I'll check back here around the end of December. Good luck.

[rsgmoose]

Posters here (including me) have noted that the PocketInformant (PI) developers have announced an iphone application to be due at the end of this month (I doubt that it will appear then). I want to note that I will not buy the announced PI, because it will include only the calendar and tasks and will not integrate with contacts or notes (which, of course, like tasks, must be added, since they are not part of the iphone's PIM setup). I want, therefore, to express a wish that the Agendus now under development include integration among all 4 PIM parts, if at all feasible). And I am happy to wait for what I know from past experience will be a good product.

WebIS have announced an iPhone application - it will not be Pocket Informant. It will be another application that they did not specify unless I missed something today. They have announced that they believe on Dec 1st. they'll have a video showing the Alpha of PI.

Here is what I'd like to see in the first release of Agendus for the iPhone:

1. Banners ;);) in the month view
ok for real this time
2. Icon's in Month, list and day view (never been a big fan of the week view).
3. Don't care about a photo view for contacts.
4. Integrated Tasks although I suspect a separate database will have to be used (I'd opt for a remote per the earlier post).
5. Notes - same as #4


The icons for the calendar views are obviously the key.

And I'll add - the iPhone is the most productive phone I've used (Treo Palm OS, WM OS, BB Curve) period.

I made the decision to jump to it knowing full well that additional software would come slowly.

With the addition of Agendus - the iPhone will be that much more productive.

EDIT: It is interesting to note that WebIS now states on their announement tag header that PI will be available before MacWorld 2009 or 2010. A little levity to to help vent the frustration that they and the community is feeling? This is not a slam on WebIS - it's a simple reality of development on a new platform.

[iMarc845]

... I’m sure they get the point and I'm sure we will hear more status reports in the future.

It would certainly be IMPOSSIBLE to hear LESS status updates.

[Fastwalking]

And I'll add - the iPhone is the most productive phone I've used (Treo Palm OS, WM OS, BB Curve) period.



I'll take your word for it but without a serious calendar, task and contact program, I don’t know how that works - but that just me. I'd say the iphone is the most fun device I’ve ever owned - but certainly not even close to the most productive.

I'm in real estate – a few weeks ago I had a client ask me if I knew any Painters he could call to get a quote on some painting he needed done. In fact I had four. But how do I get the info to him? First, iphone doesn’t sort contacts by category so I have to look them up by name - well I had to call my assistant back at the office to sort them on her computer as I have 1,200 contacts on my iphone and I couldn’t remember their names. So now I have their names and I can look them up on my iphone - but I can’t copy the info into an email so I have to write down the information for each contact, close contacts, open email and type them all back in again so I can send them to my client. This is not my idea of productive.

I now have some apps that solve some of these problems, but unlike my Treo, I have to change apps back and forth to accomplish a relatively simple task. Still not productive.

Agendus, hopefully, will change some of this. The lack of cut and paste will continue to be a gaping would in the side of iphone but what can you do?

[kbd517]

Adriano and Allibama- while I stand by my comments, it was NOT my intent to hurt/offend/upset you or anyone else here. Despite my frustration, I should have perhaps dialed it back a notch. I'm sorry for my harsh tone. I used Agendus on my treo 650, and it is an excellent product. I'm looking forward to seeing what's coming for the iPhone.

[rsgmoose]

Categories and a cut and paste function would add some functionality for many users, agreed.

My enhanced functionality comes from:

Full Screen, built-in GPS and it's search function, iPod, safari and it's zoom capabilities and then add in wifi.

Sure either a Palm OS or WM device could provide similar functionality but typically you had to add so much software and some hardware at the "cost" of stability. In the 4 months of usage on the iphone it has only "rebooted" one time. A similar equipped Palm device on average would reset for me at least 3 times a week and I could lose data in the process.

The really big enhanced functionality for me - the wifi feature which allows me to access corporate servers without having to boot my laptop up while out on remote situations.

I guess I'd sum up this way - for me the iPhone is the most productive phone I've used but someone else mileage may vary.

I actually went down to an Apple store and put the phone through "my" paces for about 3 hours and it did everything I needed much better than my Treo 750.

Yet it does have the flaws as you pointed out and can still be improved, not doubt.

[lolongan]

Xmas time sounds to be very exciting: from what I read, Agendus, Pocket Informant and SmartTime are all racing to be released to market before new eve.
I'm impatient to see which one will the first released and which one will grab the biggest market share...

[jpate911]

I was a longtime Palm user, when my most recent Palm, the T2 died, I moved to the iPhone to combine contacts and pda. I miss the convenience of the Agendus features, tying contacts to meetings. Any word on the arrival of Agendu for the iPhone? I am open for idle speculation to feed my hope that it will be very soon.

[mmouse]

I had been an Agendus user for many years when I was using Palm products. Back in January my Palm Treo 680 had a fatal accident and I was forced to buy a new phone. Rather than buying another Treo 680 I bought the Blackjack 2. I tried Agendus for Smartphone and was not all that happy with the product. It was still rather new, version 1 or 2 at the time, so I knew it would take a few versions to get up to speed as the Palm counterpart. I had always heard good things about Pocket Informant so I tried their smartphone product and loved it. However I still wanted an iPhone, but the iPhones lack of a task list program or function was the driving force behind me not getting an iPhone, not to mention the cost.
July rolls around and the iPhone 3G is released. By that time I was loving my Blackjack 2 with Pocket Informant, and WebIS announced that they were developing Pocket Informant for the new iPhone 3G. I went and bought an iPhone 3G the day it was released. I still missed Agendus and some of the neat things that it had, but I was making due with Pocket Informant. By July I had replaced Agendus for Outlook with Plan Plus for Outlook from Franklin Covey.
Well Pocket Informant is still not available and I hear that Agendus was being developed. Oh great, now I will have to great products to choose from. On WebIS they have an active forum where customers are kept informed of the development, but Iambic says they are developing smething, but yet they provide nothing on said development. One of the “Iambic Team Members” named Allibama calls the iPhone a toy and that only games are available and it is certainly not a productivity tool.
Contrary to belief, the iPhone has been the most productive smartphone I have ever owned. While waiting for Agendus or Pocket Informant I have been using other apps to track my calendar, tass, notes etc and so far have been quite happy with what I have been using. So much so, that Pocket Informant and Agendus are now on the back burner for me. I will definitely look at them both if and when they ever come out, but the iPhone 3G has been out almost 6 months now and the SDK has been out since March and still nothing at all regarding the Agendus development. At least Pocket Informant has screenshots and information on their website and looks like it will be available in a few short weeks.
For the past 5 months I’ve been using the following PRODUCTIVITY tools.
Tasks, Toodledo iPhone App syncing with Todledo online account then syncing with Outlook
Calendar, Native App syncing through MobileMe with Outlook
Contacts, Native App syncing with MobileMe with Outlook
Notes, Appigo Notebook account syncing through Toodledo online
Lists, Splashdata’s Splash Shoppper
Passwords, Splashdata’s Splash ID
Finances, Splashdata’s Splash Money
The iPhone also is the best smartphone I have ever used to browse the web and to read my email with. It’s also the only smartphone that I have ever used to access my work email via Outlook webmail. The Palm Treo and Blackjack would not allow this.
The iPhone has by far been the most productive and helpful smartphone I have ever used. I also use things like Urbanspoon, Loopt, Showtimes , Weather Channel iPhone App, AccuFuel, AIM, MySpaces and get information quickly and a lot easier than the Treo or Blackjack2.
For Alli to say that it is not a productivity tool is ignorant and shows that he/she has no clue what the iPhone is. Sure the app Store has a lot of games, but on the other hand so does Palm and Windows Mobile products.

[Fastwalking]

"Snappy Seeker"??? I waited for months for word from Iambic about Agendus and the only hint we get is "end of December". Today, December 20, I get a message that "Snappy Seeker" is available. ???? Who cares? I don’t know how big Iambic is but I know you are working on dozens of different projects, for dozens of different devices as well as many different projects for iphone. I am very curious - where does Agendus stand in terms of available resources and priority? As December slips away, it is becoming clear that Agendus is slipping away too. Any revised hints on potential availability? or am I chasing my tail?

[Joseph Arison]

"Snappy Seeker"??? I waited for months for word from Iambic about Agendus and the only hint we get is "end of December". Today, December 20, I get a message that "Snappy Seeker" is available. ???? Who cares? I don’t know how big Iambic is but I know you are working on dozens of different projects, for dozens of different devices as well as many different projects for iphone. I am very curious - where does Agendus stand in terms of available resources and priority? As December slips away, it is becoming clear that Agendus is slipping away too. Any revised hints on potential availability? or am I chasing my tail?



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[Joseph Arison]

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Boy do I agree with this "snappy seeker" seem an exercise in Iambic using the Apps store. I'll waste the $.99 to show my continued interest in "agendus" Other than that it seems an elegant waste. If this is a step towards agendus for iPhone, I'll dance otherwise tell me and I'll givethe buck to a bum on the street!


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[Peetcabrio]

Almost everything is already set in this topic now. The only thing I would like to add is a please. Make/port Agendus to the iphone. My wife is now using the Iphone and is missing het agendus app which she used on her Tungsten.
I still have a Treo 680 but will move to iPhone in the future (3 month)
So Please Iambic, help all of the iphone users to a good product.

Thanks in advance :up:

Please let me know when it will be available.
Peter

[johnch]

Hello, my name is john and i am an iPhone user. Actually a former long time Palm and Agendusholic. I have but one question. Can you give me a single reason to not purchase MobileMe today? :confused:

-John

[mmouse]

Personally, I love MobileMe for all my calenaring needs.

[lolongan]

Hello, my name is john and i am an iPhone user. Actually a former long time Palm and Agendusholic. I have but one question. Can you give me a single reason to not purchase MobileMe today? :confused:

-John
MobileMe is the ONLY online calendar service which can sync with the native iPhone calendar app.
If you use the native iPhone calendar app, you don't have much choice (MobileMe or MS Exchange).
If you use other calendar app (such as Saisuke, or "to be released" PocketInformant), I don't see any reason to purchase MobileMe, gCal does provide the same features as MobileMe, except for the push function.
Note that I don't mention Agendus, because iambic does not give any information about their "may be to released some day" iphone version.

[rsgmoose]

If your using MS Exchange you can get nearly all of the info besides the Calendar and Contacts by using a app called iMExchange from RERLSoft. It provides a peak into the Notes, and ToDo's but it's not on board the iPhone. It actually looks into your Exchange account and provides you with a connection to your server for these fields.

It just added Out of Office capabilities as well.

Granted it's not an Agendus or Pocket Informant but so far the information states for P.I. that it's going to require a second program to sync these fields.....and that just doesn't set well with me. I don't like having that information posted to an outside vendor regardless of security concerns. It's more of a concern with "real time" information.

The iMExchange does what I need it to do. Now if Agendus can add the normal features and use the native databases without a secondary vendor - then it will be worth the wait - whenever it's released.

[Jeff_Carlin]

I pretty much agree with you, however, I use both IMExchange and KeyTasks, The only reason I use KeyTasks is because it adheres to the "Category" field and that helps viewing my desktop Outlook. If IMExchange would include that field and display the number of due tasks on the Home Page, I'd drop KeyTasks. The only thing I miss in the native iPhone Calendar is a good Week View and Category colors.

[Fastwalking]

Well obviously December didn’t happen, and clearly January isn’t happening either. My only advice at this point is to put it on hold. Palm Pre has a VERY decent calendar/contacts function and at this point I will be switching to Pre when it is available - I’m desperate for a decent calendar/contacts application. I’m not even convinced Iambic is still working on the iphone version of Agendus so I strongly suggest you all take a good look at the Palm Pre - it will likely be available before Agendus is ready for iphone anyway and it looks to be pretty comparable.

[Jeff_Carlin]

FWIW, Adriano announced the other day that April 15 is the Agendus target date. Hopefully, they can hit their goal.

[pdradley]

If Iambic says it is working on an iphone application, I have no reason to doubt it. As has been noted here before, Apple makes it difficult to develop what it considers "duplicative" applications and that is very much a part of the problem. As for Palm, all I can say is: good luck to them! They are going to need it. I was a Palm user for years, and waited for developments, 4 years more or less during which Palm produced little, sitting on its laurels as a pioneer. I switched to a MotoQ, with which I was not happy, and now to an iphone, with which I am happy. Palm needs people like me to return, but for what? an enhanced iphone? Too little, too late. I think they will be fortunate indeed to survive. In the meantime I make do with the iphone calendar and it works, though not as well as will Agendus.

[iMarc845]

FWIW, Adriano announced the other day that April 15 is the Agendus target date. Hopefully, they can hit their goal.

I'm curious: When/where was that announcement made? Curiouser still is that it's neither here nor was an email sent to that mythical "mailing list". :confused:

Was it an official announcement?

[Fastwalking]

"FWIW, Adriano announced the other day that April 15 is the Agendus target date. Hopefully, they can hit their goal. "

..... All we can tell you is that it is being actively developed and we are still hoping to have it out before the end of the year.

Apple has become the "Big Brother" they used to rail against when they were an emerging computer company. They wont allow developers to do anything that would demonstrate how woefully lacking the ipone OS is.

Mean while I heard today that the Palm Pre may be available as early as Feb 15 - here's hoping.


pdradley - I agree with you that Palm let us down big time - I too was a long time Palm fanatic (really because of Agendus) - But I am hoping that the Pre is out soon as it is close to what Agendus was

BUT more important, I'm quite sure Iambic could have a "Pre" version of Agendus ready very quickly as the rules are so much more relaxed and its in the same language as previous Palms!

[Jeff_Carlin]

Posted via iPhone Mobile Device
For Adriano's comment, look in the "Be first with Agendus on the Apple iPhone" thread. Sorry, the iPhone has no copy-paste function.

[adriano]

BUT more important, I'm quite sure Iambic could have a "Pre" version of Agendus ready very quickly as the rules are so much more relaxed and its in the same language as previous Palms!

we are evaluating this option -- as far os the very quickly part, that's a dream more than anything else. Programming language is totally different.

- Adriano

[Peetcabrio]

The Palm pre is coming, but when?? Is it available in Europe and when? Is Agendus available and when? Th iphone is there and doing anything I like a device should do.
My wife is using the iphone(1st gen) and it is a very addictive piece op hardware. She is using it way more as her Tungsten E/2. Then only complaint I hear is the agenda function. She was used to Agendus and liked it for its colors and icons, so she could split private and business in the agenda. This is not possible in the iphone apps.

I like what I have seen of the Pre, but..... will it be available in May?

Peter

[Allibama]

There are absolutelly no details yet on the Pre's availability. All we know is it will be released first for the US CDMA carrier, Sprint, and "shortly" thereafter as an unlocked GSM version in Europe.

No one knows how hard or easy it will be to program for it, as the SDK has not been seen yet either.

[Peetcabrio]

As always the question will remain, what is short it this case. I like what I have seen and after a long history of palms (1999) till now with Handspring and Treo up till 680 now, I would go for the Pre.....
Peter

[Fastwalking]

FYI...

http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/21/palm-announcing-something-at-mwc-next-month-gsm-pre-likely/

http://www.intomobile.com/2009/01/21/palm-launching-touch-friendly-palm-pre-next-month.html

interesting rumours.

[Fastwalking]

I didnt realize the folks at Iambic were still reading this thread so as such, I'd like to ask a question...

With all that is required to develop an app for iphone, why spend valuable resources on something like Snappy Seeker? It doesn't make sense to me given the resources you have also committed to Blackberry, Palm and others.

From the outside it certainly seems that the iphone version is well down the list in terms of priority.

[Fastwalking]

Here's another quick question, I understand Apple will be making the native calendar available to developers - very good news - but have you guys given any thought to "Day" view in vertical position, switching to "week" view in landscape position? Seems like a slick solution to the lack of a week view.

[Peetcabrio]

Found the below standing link after surfing the web for a good Agenda application for the Iphone.

http://pocketinformant.com/products_info.php?p_id=pocketinformant_iphone

This looks like a real nice one, only the way you need to sync you agenda, via Google agenda to MS outlook and back is not really a very nice solution.

Will Iambic to late? Or do they have a trick in there sleeve to keep us as customers.:cool:

Peter

[adriano]

I didnt realize the folks at Iambic were still reading this thread so as such, I'd like to ask a question...

yes we are, just can't help to throw in some bitterness eh? fine with me I like bitter and sarcastic. I'm extremely sarcastic myselg, overboarding to the almost offensive at times.


With all that is required to develop an app for iphone, why spend valuable resources on something like Snappy Seeker? It doesn't make sense to me given the resources you have also committed to Blackberry, Palm and others.


because as common sense teaches it's a good practice when approaching a new environment to get your feet wet with something relatively simple rather than tackle right away a larger challenge.

From the outside it certainly seems that the iphone version is well down the list in terms of priority.

well, that's just not the case.

[Fastwalking]

Upon further investigation, I discover that the only way to synch your Outlook data on the upcoming Palm Pre is through Microsoft Exchange so stand alone users are SOL.

Quote from web site:
"Available for Exchange ActiveSync only. Requires Microsoft Outlook using Microsoft Exchange Server 2003 with SP2 or Exchange Server 2007. Requires data services at additional cost. "

I believe this is the case for any software you may wish to acquire - likely a monthly suscription service as the software will be online as well.

I guess I'll stick with my iphone for now. Sure am anxious for Agendus.

[rsgmoose]

The Pre will sync with other web calendars. It will only sync with Outlook via an Exchange Active Sync server........in other words there is no planned "hot sync" like with the original Palm/Treo devices. You can export your Outlook calendar several different ways to Google Calendar. If and when I get a Pre - I'll keep my corporate calendar on Outlook and my personal on Google so that I can toggle between the two easy enough.....must wait for a GSM version through ATT.

This was dicussed on many of the videos that are out there........personally I prefer the ones found at PreCentral (http://www.precentral.net/). Note the link to the right of the main page under Featured Content.

They have 3 good videos's that talk about many of the options.

[Fastwalking]

The Pre will sync with other web calendars. It will only sync with Outlook via an Exchange Active Sync server........in other words there is no planned "hot sync" like with the original Palm/Treo devices. You can export your Outlook calendar several different ways to Google Calendar. If and when I get a Pre - I'll keep my corporate calendar on Outlook and my personal on Google so that I can toggle between the two easy enough.....must wait for a GSM version through ATT.

This was dicussed on many of the videos that are out there........personally I prefer the ones found at PreCentral (http://www.precentral.net/). Note the link to the right of the main page under Featured Content.

They have 3 good videos's that talk about many of the options.



Fair enough, I can probably find a way to synch my calendar, but it won't be "clean" I will have to update Google then synch with Pre - a two step process. And Microsoft exchange is not an option for stand alone phones say people who own their own business or are professionals (Lawyers, plumber, real estate agents etc etc). I need my Outlook as much as I need my PDA and I need the data at both. MobileMe could be that solution if they ever get it right, but Palm's solution is not very exciting.

Anyway none of this matters without Agendus - I may have mentioned this before but here I go again - I need Agendus - period. I dont care so much what phone or PDA I have as long as I can have Agendus. Adriano and company, you have created something that has really helped a lot of people and we are going through tough times without it - if there is any way to speed it up, please do.

[pdradley]

Syncing appears to be a big problem. PocketInformant, for example, will sync with Google Calendar and not Outlook, so I would have to go through Google to connect with Outlook. That's an option I don't like. When I used a Q, I synced Agendus with Outlook via ActiveSync which is OK. I think it is the syncing that is holding up Agendus, because Apple wants to control everything that goes in and out of the iphone. Like all the rest of you, I can't wait for good old-fashioned Agendus, and I remain hopeful that it will not have to resort to the syncing tricks of PI.

[Allibama]

Fastwalking, why do you feel that Exchange is not an option for "stand alone phones?"

[Fastwalking]

Fastwalking, why do you feel that Exchange is not an option for "stand alone phones?"


It was my understanding that Microsoft Exchange was used by corporate servers only - but it is probably fair to say that I don’t have a full understanding of how exchange works.

[Allibama]

I've only recently started taking advantage of Exchange, and it's definitely the way to go. There are a ton of places that offer hosted exchange for a variety of prices. I'm currently using 4smartphone.com, although when I started dabbling with it I took advantage of the free exchange offered at mail2web.com.

Essentially, Exchange offers you the flexibility of not having to (ever) hotsync to a computer. You are syncing your contacts, calender, tasks to the server and changes made in one place are made everywhere instantly, seemlessly, and automagically.

[adriano]

There are number of providers out there offering Exchange Hosting -- it usually starts around $10/month.

http://www.msexchange.org/services/Exchange-Hosting/

- Adriano

[pslawing]

I read this post about every month in hopes that iambic is closer to releasing the iphone version of agendus. I looked at the WebIS version of Pocket Informant that will soon be released. It still doesn't address the contacts portion of the picture. I am a long time user of agendus for the palm and really miss the integration of contacts,calendar, todo and memos that agendus for the palm gave us. The iphone is such a sweet machine that has so much potential if apple would be a little more forthcoming with their help with developers. I send this as an encourager to KEEP TRYING to get this app to your loyal customers!
WAITING
peggy

[Allibama]

Did you miss Adriano's post announcing it would be available on 4/15?

[photojojo]

The simple fact is that if it were as easy as a few people on here made it sound there would be as many good PIM apps as there is fart and flashlight apps. The fact is that Apple does make it more difficult to create productive apps with their don't touch our native apps philosphy.

On top of all of this when Agendus is finally released I bet the craziness will continue because it's missing some little thing that someone on here feels would have been so simple to produce. When in fact it would have been impossible to create because of Apple. I applaud Iambic for even trying to develop an app for a market that balks at anything over $1.

For now I'm eagerly awaiting 4/15 and have even set it in my woefully inadequate iPhone calendar. Meanwhile I wonder if we'll hear announcements of anything else that iPhone fans would be interested in around that time frame?

[adriano]

Meanwhile I wonder if we'll hear announcements of anything else that iPhone fans would be interested in around that time frame?

as we'll get closer to have Agendus ready for prime time we'll post up updates in this forum. Is there any other app of ours you'd be interested in seeing on the iPhone?

- Adriano

[drmsr55]

Personally, the only application I care about is Agendus. I have used it both on the Treo 650 and 600 as well as the Tungsten C, recently on my Treo 750 with windows. Now on the iPhone I really need a more flexible calendar program and am looking for Agendus to fit the bill again. I beta tested WM version and enjoyed it. Would do the same for the iPhone.
Will the iPhone version be able to sync with outlook via google or directly and if Apple allows syncing to its native database, will Agendus be modifiable to do so?
Thanks.

[bigdog5142]

I'm wondering about the compatibility and ability to sync with Mobile Me. I use that exclusively and it works well with my iPhone. Will we have to use Google Calendar to utilize Agendus? WebIS' new program only works with Google and I don't know that I want to go that route. I know that Google is free, but I don't really know how it will work with the iPhone and wireless. I also don't know how Google will integrate with the Mac OSX. Mobile Me integrates great!

Questions...Questions...:)

[Jeff_Carlin]

I can't speak to MobileMe, but I subscribed to Google Calendars once WebIS announced their intentions. A few comments...

WebIS is using the sync to gCal as a stopgap until Apple opens its database to developers. They mention the summer, but I think it's anyone's guess.

As we know, iPhone does not utilize Categories. gCal lets you create any number of calendars. I created one for each of my Outlook categories. Unfortunately, when you create an appointment (sorry, no Tasks) in iPhone, you cannot specify a Category. As a result, your appt does not have a category when your iPhone syncs to Outlook. Then, when Outlook syncs to gCal (I use SyncMyCal, but I'm sure there are others), the appt gets dumped into your master calendar and you'll have to fix the category in Outlook or gCal and it will cross-pollinate.

The sync seems to work pretty well. There are some small issues with multi-day, all-day events, but it's minor and can be fixed easily. All in all, it's a pretty decent solution for the short term...and it's free.

[pdradley]

PocketInformant was released today, and it is basically the same application developed for other platforms by WebIS, which means that it is good and vastly superior to the built-in calendar. It does not have integration with Contacts, nor does it have a Notes function (as was the case on the WM platform), and Outlook syncing is tricky because, as Jeff notes above, the sync goes through Google Calendar. But it works and I am worried that it will take much of the thunder away from Agendus, so, Iambic, please get Agendus out real quick.

[Allibama]

Adriano promised April 15 - that's soon. I can't imagine an Agendus without full Contacts integration. Remember, Agendus was originally a contact manager only - that is it's strong suit!

[pdradley]

I hope you are right, but I have my doubts. Both PocketInformant and Saisuke, the other rival to Agendus, sync calendar and todo databases, but not with the iphone's own databases but rather through Google Calendar and Toodledo. I am not a computer person, but it is my understanding that Apple does not allow developers to hack into the iphone's databases, which is why the syncing has to be done through Google. How then will Agendus accomplish syncing with the iphone contacts? Will it have to create a separate database? Is this too much to do? I welcome the ability of Iambic to crack into the iphone, if it can.

[Allibama]

I guess we'll have all the answers come April 15.

[bigdog5142]

Why have the release day on one of the worst days of the year...TAX DAY!!! ARGH! ;)

[lolongan]

I hope you are right, but I have my doubts. Both PocketInformant and Saisuke, the other rival to Agendus, sync calendar and todo databases, but not with the iphone's own databases but rather through Google Calendar and Toodledo. I am not a computer person, but it is my understanding that Apple does not allow developers to hack into the iphone's databases, which is why the syncing has to be done through Google. How then will Agendus accomplish syncing with the iphone contacts? Will it have to create a separate database? Is this too much to do? I welcome the ability of Iambic to crack into the iphone, if it can.
You mixed up Contacts database with Calendar database. Contacts database is open, every third parties can have access to it. WebIs does say that integration of Contacts management will be available in future release. On the other hand, Calendar database is not accessible to third parties. That's why all calendars app. currently available on the AppStore (PocketInformant, SmartTime+, Saisuke, CalenGoo, GooSync+,...) choose to sync to Google cal.

[mmouse]

I've been a long time Agendus user having used it on a T5, E and Treo 680. I also tried the Windows Mobile version when it came out, but really did not care for it that much and went with Pocket Informant for WM.

I love Agendus for Outlook and still use that pretty well. Since getting the iPhone last July I've been looking for a PIM that works well brings netter functionality to the iPhone.

Pocket Informant does that now, it has some things to work on, but their update goals are very promising. Of course I will be interested in trying Agendus when it is released and then make a ecision at that time. The key thing is the syncing. PI syncs with Google Calendar for appointments and with Toodledo for tasks. It would be great if Apple opened up the calendar to developers, but they haven't and it looks like there is no plans to.

Since getting the iPhone the way I've planned things has changed dramatically. Before on the treo it was Outlook, with Agendus syncing to Agendus. there was no middle man or cloud. Also since Apple does not use categories, I've had to create different calendars for that. I'm starting to get to the point where Outlook is becoming useless. Google calendar shows all my appointments in one place, if I used Outlook, several calendars looks confusing and like looking through frosted glass. Because of the iPhone, I've been considering getting a Mac laptop just to make life a little easier since iCal and Mobileme work great. Outlook and Mobileme work great, as long as I keep everything in one calendar.

[bigdog5142]

You can easily create multiple calendars in Outlook that will sync with Mobile Me.

[mmouse]

You can easily create multiple calendars in Outlook that will sync with Mobile Me.

I know you can use multiple calendars in Outlook, but I don't care for the way they are handled. Key features in Outlook 2007 are then compromised and when I use Plan Plus for Outlook it only recognizes the main calendar.

Outlook 2007's new "ToDo" bar which shows the next 3 events only shows those events when they are in the main calendar.

The only thing I like about using multiple calendars in Outlook is the fact that when Mobile Me syncs to iPhone, those calendars then appear in my iPhone in different colors. Aside from that I'm not a fan of multi-calendars in Outlook. That is why I am using Google calendar, it syncs well with Pocket Informant and Outlook. I can keep my category colors intact in Outlook and use 1 calendar. The categories then are mapped to different calendars in Google from Outlook and then they sync to Pocket Informant on the iPhone.

I usually add a calandar item using the Apple calendar, syncs to Outlook via MobileMe, I categorize it in Outlook and then it goes to proper Google calendar and then back to the appropriate calendar in Pocket Informant on iPhone.

[bigdog5142]

Yeah...I can understand your quandary.

I have a question for you...have you used both Mobile Me and the Google/Toodledo solutions for wireless sync? Is the Google solution comparable to Mobile Me? I have been contemplating the Pocket Informant solution, but am hesitant to try it. I've already subscribed to Mobile Me for the year and the added bonuses are great for me (20 gb of HD space, photo album sharing, file sharing and iWeb space). I'll probably stay with that, but the lack of a To Do list is horrible for me. I'm a youth pastor and I'm in grad school so a task list is important. I'm also on a Mac.

I am waiting for Contactizer (www.objectivedecision.com) to release their Contactizer Mobile which seems to be coming this summer with the iPhone 3.0 release. I have utilized Contactizer on my Mac as it syncs its categories into iCal and then into Mobile Me as separate calendars. Kinda cool. However, there is no task support for sync from Contactizer to iCal.

So...my intermediate solution has been to use Contactizer for my PIM needs on my computer and Mobile Me sync. Then I'm utilizing Appigo's ToDo on my iPhone which syncs with iCal's/Contactizer's task list via a Wi-Fi connection. It's not TRUE wireless sync, but it works for now. I have to create recurring tasks on ToDo as there are sync issues with recurring tasks from Contactizer to ToDo, but at least I have a pretty good working solution.

Got any ideas/suggestions about the Pocket Informant solution? I take it that PI becomes your main PIM solution on the iPhone as opposed to the native calendar/contact apps? Do the contacts sync with the native contact app on the iPhone? Otherwise, how to you call people from the contacts?

The solutions seemed to be so much easier on the Treo/HTC devices I used before the iPhone. At least the PIM solutions. However, it looks like the things for a PIM user are coming with 3.0. I LOVE my iPhone and probably won't use anything else (however the Pre is becoming enticing). I just want to get a fully functioning PIM that will wirelessly sync as easily as Mobile Me does. :) Is that too much to ask? ;)

[mmouse]

I have had no issues using Toodledo and Google Calendar. I am currently using Pocket Informant and although it is a little slow in it's initial release it does work great. The slowness and a whole bunch of other things should be fixed anyday now as an update will be going up any day now.

I have been using Toodledo on the iPhone since I first heard about it after the iPhone 3G came out. I started with the ToDo app from Appigo, and then got the ToodledoiPhone app when it first came out last September or October. I now have a premium account at Toodledo. I've kept both apps on my iPhone because each has unique features that I like. Now that I have Pocket Informant on my iPhone I may finally dump the two other apps, they both are great, but I feel with Pocket Informant adding the Franklin Covey methodology of task prioritization, it's just a better program for me. Until PI matures a little, I may keep 1 or both of the other two programs on the iPhone.

As for Google Calendar. I use it mainly to sync my calendar with Pocket Informant. Until Pocket Informant came out, I was using SaiSuke. Again, once Pocket Informant matures a little, I will keep that on my iPhone as well. I do have the Google Sync so that it will sync with Outlook as well. The problem being that it only syncs one calendar.

I subscribed to MobileMe from the beginning, and got my first 6 months free due to the problems they were having, and at the beginning of the year paid for a one year subscription. I think Mobile Me is great and will probably keep my subscription to it just for the storage it provides and because it's been the best solution for me to get my main email address to my iPhone. (msn account forwarded to me.com email address) Since Microsoft makes it difficult for smartphones (even Windows Mobile) to access msn and hotmail accounts.

So how does it work for me. I enter new appointments in iPhone Calendar, Mobile Me takes it to Outlook. In Outlook I can categorize it, giving it color in Outlook, and it syncs to Google. Once in Google I can move it to the correct "calendar" and then when it syncs with Pocket Informant and/or SaiSuke it will be in the correct color.

Using Mobile Me and Outlook, I went back to the one calendar so the iPhone calendar is in black and white. Pocket Informant and SaiSuke are the calendars that are in color. For me it works, your mileage may vary.

[Fastwalking]

Adriano promised April 15 - that's soon. I can't imagine an Agendus without full Contacts integration. Remember, Agendus was originally a contact manager only - that is it's strong suit!


Thank you, thank you Ali - thats what I really needed to hear. Now I can relax and wait. A GOOD contact manager is what I need (and want) and thats why we love Agendus.

[pdradley]

Contact managers for the iphone already exist (Groups, for example, which I use). It is not managing that is the problem, it is integrating the contacts with the other pim functions, and I don't see how that can be done without the use of some "cloud" component such as GCal, and this, I think, would require all one's contacts to be in the "cloud". I am anxious for a direct sync capability, but I don't see any other way for the moment, at least not until Apple opens up the calendar database. And, BTW, the developers of AgendaOne, another good PIM, whose users have also been clamoring for an iphone version, seem to think no iphone development is worth the effort because both calendar and contacts are inaccessible (as another contributor to this site has pointed out, the contacts database is actually open).

[bigdog5142]

I have had no issues using Toodledo and Google Calendar. I am currently using Pocket Informant and although it is a little slow in it's initial release it does work great. The slowness and a whole bunch of other things should be fixed anyday now as an update will be going up any day now.

I have been using Toodledo on the iPhone since I first heard about it after the iPhone 3G came out. I started with the ToDo app from Appigo, and then got the ToodledoiPhone app when it first came out last September or October. I now have a premium account at Toodledo. I've kept both apps on my iPhone because each has unique features that I like. Now that I have Pocket Informant on my iPhone I may finally dump the two other apps, they both are great, but I feel with Pocket Informant adding the Franklin Covey methodology of task prioritization, it's just a better program for me. Until PI matures a little, I may keep 1 or both of the other two programs on the iPhone.

As for Google Calendar. I use it mainly to sync my calendar with Pocket Informant. Until Pocket Informant came out, I was using SaiSuke. Again, once Pocket Informant matures a little, I will keep that on my iPhone as well. I do have the Google Sync so that it will sync with Outlook as well. The problem being that it only syncs one calendar.

I subscribed to MobileMe from the beginning, and got my first 6 months free due to the problems they were having, and at the beginning of the year paid for a one year subscription. I think Mobile Me is great and will probably keep my subscription to it just for the storage it provides and because it's been the best solution for me to get my main email address to my iPhone. (msn account forwarded to me.com email address) Since Microsoft makes it difficult for smartphones (even Windows Mobile) to access msn and hotmail accounts.

So how does it work for me. I enter new appointments in iPhone Calendar, Mobile Me takes it to Outlook. In Outlook I can categorize it, giving it color in Outlook, and it syncs to Google. Once in Google I can move it to the correct "calendar" and then when it syncs with Pocket Informant and/or SaiSuke it will be in the correct color.

Using Mobile Me and Outlook, I went back to the one calendar so the iPhone calendar is in black and white. Pocket Informant and SaiSuke are the calendars that are in color. For me it works, your mileage may vary.

Unfortunately, that sounds like a big circle. Not really a great "easy" solution. Still complicated to a point. Hmmm...I should probably wait for the release of the 3.0 iPhone software and determine which I should go for at that point (Agendus or PI). Whichever one has the push notifications will be the one that I go with. I wish Apple would open up their calendar for developers. That would solve SO many issues for a true PIM solution. Either that or add a stupid task manager to the OS natively. That would solve so many issues out there!!!

[bigdog5142]

I would REALLY like to use Pocket Informant, but can't figure out how to make it work WELL with iCal, Entourage, or Contactizer. I used the CalDAV format to subscribe to the calendars that I imported from iCal to Google, but I really don't like how those are setup in iCal. I'm a bit scared of them. Do they work just like the Mobile Me stuff? Does that get synced to Mobile Me, or should I even care? Then, does the calendar changes get pushed or not from Google and Pocket Informant? Is it a push or a sync OTA? Then it looks like Toodledo does the same thing and I'll have multiple CalDAV's for all my categories of tasks as I sync. I wish a program would come out that would just allow for this big work around or actually open up to Mobile Me and use that for push/sync. I know...I know...Apple has not opened up anything with the SDK...I'm just venting.

It will be interesting to see what Iambic has up their sleeve with Agendus. Then again, the 3.0 software upgrade will do a lot for everything I'm talking about! AHHH!!!

[mmouse]

Apple's App store FINALLY released the update to Pocket Informant that was sent to them on March 27th. The update increases the performance of Pocket Informant exponentially.

Pocket Informant, at this time, oNLY syncs with Google calendar and Toodledo. In order to sync with Cal or Outlook you need to use a sync solution, either Googles own sync software, or a third party. Check Google Calendar for sync solutions with iCal. Toodledo also has a sync solution to iCal.

It is not like MobileMe. You can set Pocket Informat to sync with Google and Toodledo on startup, but that will slow things down a little on start up, not bad, but might not be acceptable for a few. It is much better now than with the 1.0 version. Aside from that, you just need to ap the sync button on the Today screen or go to settings ad go into the Google and/or Toodledo settings to sync.

With the new version, performance and has been increased so much and quite a bit new features were added. It's really turning out to be a killer app that was badly needed on the iPhone.

Some of the new features in 1.01 are:
• Performance and Robustness improvements
• Many Bugs/crashes fixed
• Sync Improvements
o Faster and more robust Sync
o Shared Google Calendar Sync
o Pick Calendars to Sync
o Sync button added to To do view
• Several new Settings
o ISO Week Number
o Application Badge options for To dos and Events
o More Colors in Calendar Editor
o Background/Text/None Color display
o Past Appointment Style
o Month View First Day of Week
o Other settings improvements
• Improved Todo user interface allows for immediate complete or multi-select complete
• Built in Quick Start and Knowledgebase access

There is now also a free "lite" version for those that would like to try it before they buy it.

[Fastwalking]

Thanks mmouse - I got the same message today. Looks very interesting! And at least THEY provide screenshots. I dont think the folks at Agendus read this site anymore so it wont help to ask. Theoretically Agendus is supposed to be available tomorrow, but like the rest of you, im sure there will be some reason why it isnt. I didnt realize PI have a "try before buy" option, I might just give it a spin.

[mmouse]

Thanks mmouse - I got the same message today. Looks very interesting! And at least THEY provide screenshots. I dont think the folks at Agendus read this site anymore so it wont help to ask. Theoretically Agendus is supposed to be available tomorrow, but like the rest of you, im sure there will be some reason why it isnt. I didnt realize PI have a "try before buy" option, I might just give it a spin.

I seriously doubt that the people making Agendus are actually working on an iPhone version. They have provided no screen shots or information on a release other than an April 15th release date, which on the iPhone is silly because it all depends on when the App Store approves such a release. Pocket Informant was sent to Apple 6 days before it was actually available for release, the update to fix many of the problems with version 1.0 was sent to Apple on March 27th, but did not appear in the App Storefor download until April 13th. I recently read that now Agendus is looking at a May release. Throughout Pocket Informants development the developers were very open and honest as to the prgress and provided screenshots and even videos of the product in development both in their user forums and website. In their user frums they've from time to time posted polls to see what features would be most valuable to people in the first few releases. Iambic, they denied even thinking of an iPhone version from the get go until recently when they pulled an April 15th release date ou of their butt. There has been no email notifications on progress or anything although, they did have the sign up page for that.

Yes with the 1.01 release of Pocket Informant they also released a "lite" version so that you could try before you buy it. Hope it works out for you.

[pdradley]

I bought PocketInformant and it works fine, though, as with all new apps it needs (and will continue to get) improvements. I was going to wait for Agendus, but I need a good calendar-todo function, and like a lot of others here I have no idea when (or even if) it will appear. I thought we might get a real discussion going when the subject of syncing came up, but it has not happened: why have we heard nothing on this critical matter from Iambic? The PI developers were very open about it, and made clear that they would have to create a GCal/Toodledo pass-through as the iphone calendar database was closed to developers. PI had talked about setting up its own separate database, but that seemed impractical and they happily abandoned the idea. What is Iambic doing? I would have liked to know. I understand that developers don't want to spend time and money in development and than have Apple reject the app, but vague promises of delivery dates is simply not satisfactory. Please, Iambic, give us the real lowdown.

[Fastwalking]

I bought PocketInformant and it works fine, though, as with all new apps it needs (and will continue to get) improvements. I was going to wait for Agendus, but I need a good calendar-todo function, and like a lot of others here I have no idea when (or even if) it will appear. I thought we might get a real discussion going when the subject of syncing came up, but it has not happened: why have we heard nothing on this critical matter from Iambic? The PI developers were very open about it, and made clear that they would have to create a GCal/Toodledo pass-through as the iphone calendar database was closed to developers. PI had talked about setting up its own separate database, but that seemed impractical and they happily abandoned the idea. What is Iambic doing? I would have liked to know. I understand that developers don't want to spend time and money in development and than have Apple reject the app, but vague promises of delivery dates is simply not satisfactory. Please, Iambic, give us the real lowdown.


Careful, you arent supposed to ask questions on this site, it makes them angry - however, as I mentioned before - I'm pretty sure they don't read this thing anyway. I just loaded PI lite and it looks pretty good. Synching with Google was easy as was Toodledo. The thing I am missing is the proper "week" view, nobody seems to have it except the Palm Pre.

I kept saying I was going to wait for Agendus on April 15, but the closer it gets the more unlikely it seems. I dont believe it has been submitted to Apple yet, or at least there has been no mention of it, so I have to assume some date in May at the earliest - and that it not final either. Anyway, by then I will likey have purchased PI full version and it wont matter anymore. Hope it works out for you guys too.

[mmouse]

Careful, you arent supposed to ask questions on this site, it makes them angry - however, as I mentioned before - I'm pretty sure they don't read this thing anyway. I just loaded PI lite and it looks pretty good. Synching with Google was easy as was Toodledo. The thing I am missing is the proper "week" view, nobody seems to have it except the Palm Pre.

I kept saying I was going to wait for Agendus on April 15, but the closer it gets the more unlikely it seems. I dont believe it has been submitted to Apple yet, or at least there has been no mention of it, so I have to assume some date in May at the earliest - and that it not final either. Anyway, by then I will likey have purchased PI full version and it wont matter anymore. Hope it works out for you guys too.

What is the "proper" week view. In Pocket Informant there are settings for the week view. It can start on any day you like, or the current day.

[pdradley]

Don't tell anyone at Iambic, but the PI week view is good and perfectly usable. Iambic announced on this site yesterday that the "launch date" was pushed back to May 1 and, as you and others have noted, it is unclear just what that date is: is it the date the app will be submitted to Apple, is it the date the developers feel the product is in a finished state, or something else? Quien sabe? I remain disappointed.

[Fastwalking]

What is the "proper" week view.?

You can see it here http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/?sssdmh=dm13.199493#


I think this is the "proper" week view - but others may be OK with the PI way of 7 days in a stacked block.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3349/3441976759_9fdebdfffe.jpg

[mmouse]

Pocket Informant has a graphical view in the week view. Each date has a graphcal time bar that shows what the day looks like, then under the time bar is a listing of your appointments. Personally I do like the way the pre looks, but it doesn't tell me anything, with PI I see the graphical view, plus get the appointment times and places.